tajmall ([info]tajmall) wrote,
@ 2008-03-13 13:41:00
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Auden't know much about poetry - but I know what I like

I feel fortunate that the day I remembered to have a look at the Guardian's website was the day they began a series "Introducing seven of the greatest poets of the 20th century". It started with Eliot (don't worry girls, today is Plath day), and I got the feeling I could even warm to the old bugger as I read my print-outs (including Craig Raine's foreword) on a rainy night at the near-empty Bkt Merah Lane stalls, sat with cat, Carlsberg and a decent mee goreng. Such optimism.

Yesterday's Auden print-outs haven't been attended to yet (and I've been told by the boss to write off any plans for tonight - including Ferns' gig at the Esplanade Concourse, 6.30pm), but hoorah for the interweb that I can cut and paste something I really like here:


Musée des Beaux Arts
WH Auden

About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.

In Brueghel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.


© the Estate of WH Auden. Curtis Brown Ltd and the Estate of WH Auden from Collected Poems published by Faber and Faber. More at http://books.guardian.co.uk/greatpoets/. If you get any, hold on to the booklets of poetry they're giving away with the paper. And if you don't want them I'll look after them for you.



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[info]tajmall
2008-03-13 06:47 am UTC (link)

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[info]tajmall
2008-03-13 06:52 am UTC (link)

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[info]pixiedub_rox
2008-03-13 07:00 am UTC (link)
i miss being in uni and reading poetry. i find i have too little time for it nowadays.

thanks for this!

(and HaHa about girls and plath.)

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[info]tajmall
2008-03-13 07:21 am UTC (link)

too little time?!! i suppose it depends one chooses to spend it. not turning the telly on randomly sure helps me find time to do other things. and having a print out-of a poem slipped in a back-pocket and then pulled out for a read on a bus-ride is good one for having poetry to hand when suddenly you find yourself w/ *time*.

me being slow-brained means that the marginal utility (ie. worth-it-ness) of poetry is good since it takes years for me to possibly to begin to "get" individual pieces. that's the kiasu value of it.

is it cheap shot to snigger about Plath-fans? we did some Plath in school (teacher was "that type one" wasn't she?) but I don't appreciate her poetry half a much as i was awed by the writing in Bell Jar.

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la la larkin about
[info]tajmall
2008-03-19 02:41 am UTC (link)
hey new-jobber.

something else what i sometimes think of but aren't smart enough to articulate: poetry and uni. i went to one of those places and did sit and have something i used to be interested in become a Topic - and feel daunted (in a not-good way) by it, and my confidence was shot to shit, but now i know it was plenty snooty ridiculousness.

maybe it's better to be an autodidact in this dept - and then if you have questions, let them simmer for a decade and then go and ask and be aware that the professors can actually be wrong - and/or worser: affected by fashions ie. what school of thought, style, poets and the like are in vogue. i think Larkin was very looked-down on - dismissed in a sentence - at the time i was in a place to enquire ... and he was never spoken of again.

perhaps it only goes to show my ignorance but i can't remember a darn thing i supposedly 'learnt' about poetry (except maybe my own conclusions: eg. Ezra Pound: fuckhead) whereas poetry that might have been dismissed there is something i can still see as being technically brilliant while touching me in a way nothing i read at uni managed... something like Philip Larkin's "The Whitsun Weddings" :
http://books.guardian.co.uk/greatpoets/story/0,,2261816,00.html

The poetry is so good it don't feel compelled to come to the conclusion he was probably a fuckhead too. he isn't in his poetry. it seems to me, so *generous*.

Oh no, now i have to go back to uni and do a dissertation (when i've finished my thesis on 1000 Reasons Why These Bands Are NOT Indie)... Sure to change my mind but today i have decided i will fill it w/ rude words and base the entire thing on transcripts of Liam Gallagher interviews. It will be about Larkin: Good Fuckhead Poet; Pound: Bad Fuckhead Poetry
... or then again just not bother.

Thanks for your time reading this far. Your reward:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/greatpoets/larkin/0,,2260117,00.html

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[info]pixiedub_rox
2008-03-20 02:43 pm UTC (link)
haha i have no recollection of my poetry classes in uni either. except that my teacher was very much like the teacher in History Boys, except without the molesting. i don't even remember what assignments i had for poetry. which goes to show what good it did me.

re plath fans, yes i know "the type" and unfortunately, i do like her poetry too, especially the one called 'the couriers'. another favourite is emily dickinson. oh no, i think i better stop naming my faves lest i turn into a "type". hahaha and no, not all my fave poets are female. just for the record.

luckily for me too, my uni profs were all really nice. and non-snooty. some were really really boring, but at least they weren't nasty or condescending.

with time, i've spent the last 6 months trying to finish One Hundred Years of Solitude. almost done. whew.

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[info]pernickety_
2008-03-19 11:35 am UTC (link)
Fortunately, I find myself in Junior College and doing literature, which is a nice break from all the sciences I do.I've always loved TS Eliot. I am terribly jealous of the students in the humanities classes. They get to do the modern elective paper(TS Elliot, Wilfred Owen,The Great Gatsby etcetc) while we do the renaissance paper. Actually, it's darn pretty awesome as well. We get to enjoy the wit that is John Donne( and when you finally get one of his more 'challenging' poems, you just feel like you can take on the world) and to appreciate the kick-assness of Hamlet. Of course, there's all the revenge,gore, sin and slavation that comes with renaissance texts. Pretty exciting, really.

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[info]tajmall
2008-03-19 11:46 am UTC (link)
this sounds ace and i love your enthusiasm. i finally tried to read some John Donne last year - what a perv! all for it myself.

Hamlet. again a good laugh. and about the only Shakespeare I got do.

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[info]pernickety_
2008-03-19 01:08 pm UTC (link)
JOHN DONNE IS THE WORLD'S BIGGEST PERVERT. We did 'the flea' on our first lesson on Donne and I thought it was SO WITTY AND SMART. The last stanza when he turns what the girl says around...wow, the whole class was like 'WHAT AN ASSHOLE' but at the same time we were so amazed by his wit.I mean come on, he basically used a flea to try to convince her to have sex with him. It's so awesome. Needless to say, I love Donne.

We're doing two Shakespeares this year- Othello and Hamlet. Both great tragedies. We're doing the greatest chick lit of all time next year - Pride and Prejudice. The boys in my class aren't looking forward to it.

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[info]tajmall
2008-03-20 02:47 am UTC (link)
The boys in class should be thankful that they will get an insight into femme-ways and possibly tips on how to woo (start by riding a horse?). They should be thankful too that they've got it easy compared to me being the only male in a class doing Plath and Woolf - a class in which I was routinely crucified and affected me so that I was transformed. Into a lesbian of course.

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